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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 07:41:00 -
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KOS had some good leadership and some good Corps within it however certain 'key' individuals hindered the entire Alliance.
After having helped KOS personally in N7- and putting time in to help them after. I'm sure when N7- fell KOS leadership was informed to lock 'The Creek' up with LARGE towers on over 50% of the moons in the station systems.
What was their leaderships decision on this?....Well small unfueled towers are not the best call to make.
Some of the KOS 'leadership' tried and I give them credit for this (Shadoo Rhang and co). However guys you were fighting a losing battle as common sense and listening were not strong points for certain other individuals.
I think KOS has been defeated the actions of a single person, and that person does not wear LV, V, RA, GooN or other tags but somewhere closer to home for KOS.
To Shadoo and others GL for the future, you will need it as its not just a fight against your enemies you need to win.
You 'leader' has played his cards in the name of KOS, consequences of these decisions are obvious.
See you on the Battlefield
T H E K E Y!
MT
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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 08:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Ephemeron
I just noticed something.
LV and V declare war on KOS today because KOS made some deal with RA. Yet LV and V did not declare war on RA. Why is that? If RA is so bad that making any deal with them makes other KOS, why would you not fight the root of the problem - RA itself?
It seems very hypocritical to me.
Red Alliance has no empire wars - pathetic.
I think you will find we have War Decced RA and co in Empire in the past.
And for reasons best left off for now is was deemed not worth the isk.
Can I ask on a side note what was the Official reason your 'senate' gave the KOS membership for NAPing RAGOONS?
MT
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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 09:21:00 -
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The only thing that puzzles me in all this is that I recieved intel that this was 100% going to happen 2 different sources before KOS even held their 'Senate' meeting of CEOs.
MT
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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aloysius Knight
Originally by: Aloysius Knight
the gate is the key, the key is the gate, the gate is the key, the gate is the key
now common, wtf does THEKEY mean? 
Its:
T H E K E Y
MT
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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kingsman
...... Then all of sudden weÆre not KOS anymore. We are being called traitors, and told that all KOS will kill us.
We canÆt dock at the stations we fought to defend to get the ships we brought to defend them with. But I look in my transaction history now and I see RAGOON members buying the ammo and mods I had built and put on the market at a loss for Alliance members to fight RAGOON with.
Apparently our treachery is that we would not change sides in the middle of the battle and we believed the KOS leadership when they told us they were going to keep the coalition informed. I laugh at some of these posts. ItÆs LVs fault that we did not fuel our towers. We had to NAP RA to withdraw from the field. We donÆt know why they got mad at us for changing sides. Anyone with a clue knew that an LV war dec was going to follow a KOS nap like day follows night.
When the sun came up this morning I wasnÆt surprised, and I didnÆt blame the moon for telling it was day time. Yet KOS blames us, the Tigers for LV being offended at them changing sides then trying to hide it to that last minute.
Let me make our actions as a corp perfectly clear.
1.We will never change sides during battle know matter the cost.
2.We looked for a way to continue the fight and that included trying to arrange docking rights at certain coalition stations
3.We assumed the KOS leadership was telling the truth, (and the chat logs are in this thread) when they said the coalition was to be informed of the NAP immediately and even then it was only mentioned to certain high level individuals as the reason for our need for corp standings not in a look at what KOS is doing fashion
4.We vowed to defend KOS during their withdrawal and leave our POSs up as long as possible
5.We never told anyone that KOS was going to set any member of the coalition to neg standing and we honestly hoped that would not happen, (but honestly who was surprised by Chows post once you knew what happened?).....
So Does this mean Demogod and Co think that the Intel to LV came from the Tigers?
Well TBH I think that Demogod should look closer to his own Corp for leaky intel. I actually heard this was going to happen before the 'Senate/CEO' meeting happened.
Demogods true motivation and true colours are beginning to show.
I do feel for the KOS pilots caught up by bad leadership decisions as well as the Fleet Commanders that have tried to keep KOS on together.
I feel you have all been let down by the actions of people above you. KOS fought well in N7- and in other area Operations against RAGOONS. I feel for you guys in the Alliance that have suddenly been sold out by the very people you put in place and trusted to lead you. For the Commanders as well who were stiffled and held back by those in positions above you.
Especially Rhang and Shadoo who gave it their all to only be held back by certain leaders not willing to trust them in certain Chat channels.
Best of Luck KOS pilots with leadership as it is you will need all you can get.
See you on the Battlefield.
KD has T H E K E Y!
MT
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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Major Tarsis
I actually heard this was going to happen before the 'Senate/CEO' meeting happened.
MJ my friend, the only thing I scratch my head for still is -- if you obviously knew what the plan was -- you surely knew that the plan didn not involve to regroup in empire and come fight -V- and LV nor to set them negative.
Ah well, part of the mystery of 0.0 alliance politics I presume... It is fascinating to watch and observe.
Sorry I have re-read my posts and they are not fully clear.
The intel I heard was KOS were planning on moving out of 'The Creek' and back to Empire to assist SMASH, this is being done by forming an Alliance or NAP with RA and this had already been setup to happen after the meeting (This was just before the Senate meeting so I presumed this was the only meeting of significance to be held).
This information was passed to me 45 minutes before the meeting had started.
If you want anymore infomation Evemail me in game as the above is public information now. But I will not go into anything else on these public boards.
I did not approach any of LV with this info at this time as I had yet to confirm it (I hear alot of rumours many turn out to be complete makebelief). However this was confirmed after the meeting but by that time I was just confirming intel LV had already got from our enemies.
MT
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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Plazmalord Soban
So its true u were informed before the meeting like demo said.
This was in no way an official informing and was definately not done with Demogods approval.
Therefore this can in no way be considered as informing us.
If he had done then why did he outright lie about it later to LD?
MT
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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 07:58:00 -
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To all KOS members.
I have been reading this thread from page 1 and after speaking to people in game and on TS it appears some of you standing up for your Alliance have been misinformed by those whom you are now defending.
It is stated LV and V did not help out with N7-.
How come that LV and V fleets were blockading and hunting the enemy fleets heading to N7- and how come you fleets and squads actually in N7- were commanded at times by non KOS Coalition Fleet Commanders.
It has been stated that LV and V have in no way helped out KOS after N7-.
LV pilots and V pilots have been talking to commanders from KOS about what went wrong in N7- and how to protect 'The Creek' from RA. These were open talks held both straight after N7- and over the following weeks when help had been requested.
However this was hindered by your 'leader' refusing requests (until the very last minute) for KOS fleet commanders and other leaders (which I presume were senate leaders) to be in the Coalition combined Chat channels. This hinders the communication channels somewhat and was purely caused by your 'leaders' arrogance and unwilling to give these commanders the responsibility of communicating with the rest of the Coalition. They had earned it both on and off the battlefield but had been stifled by certain people in high up positions.
Also whenever your 'leader' was asked for updates and a general 'Hows it going?' all we ever got from him at a Coalition level was either its in hand or its fine.
About the fact that the coaliton did not come to help you after RA POSPAMMED your home system with 15 large POSes configured as Deathstars is purely down to the fact that Eve in its current state cannot support Fleet battles with Capital Ships at POSes. RA knows this (though they will probably argue this on this thread after this, Hi BH Nync and MACTEP) the coalition knows this and the entire of Eve Alliances knows this. Hopefully Kali will fix this issue but we will have to wait and see.
After RA had POSpammed your system Many Coalition pilots were doing all they can to look into it. But during this period of Communication it is not ideal when KOS 'cut the lines of communication deliberately' when things are said that your 'leader' did not agree with or felt he was being blamed for, instead of working things out and finding a solution.
Where is Demogod now has anyone asked a locator Agent to track him down? Has he run with his assets and bailed on you I know he has not been heard of for many days now.
Is this wise for your leadership to disappear in times of your greatest need?
What are KOSes options at this present time? The forums are not the place for these.
KOS pilots you need to take a step back, LV and V do not blame you individually. KOS pilots were always willing to fight and have been forced into this position by certain members of your leadership.
The Coalition had heard that the NAP was going to go ahead but that they had to go through the motions of a Senate meeting. I ask the CEO's and others that were at that meeting to think back over how this was presented to yourselves was this given as the only viable option?
Irrespective of when the actual ingame standings were changed (and I believe their is a time delay on this anyway sometimes). Your leadership were going to NAP RAGOONs and this had been put into motion before your 'Senate' meeting was called. The Only Corp to speak u against this position was kicked from the Alliance and called traitors.
KOS is and will remain KOS to the Coalition. But individual Corps may have more options?
Think about it Speak to your 'leader' IF you can find him.
MT
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Major Tarsis
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: General Novartic
4. Why did it take you all freeken ages to get any fleet together to help us?
It does help to get correct intel and not be told its all fine when asked or being sorted. (which it wasn't you had small unfueled POSes up) or the fact that you 'leader' did not allow his leadership into the Chat channels with the rest of the Coaliton commanders and we have to find out by heresay and rumours what is going on in Allied space.
And on the
Originally by: General Novartic
N7 was being attacked from Cache area not from LÆs space so I donÆt think your gate camps did much guy's.
So the coalition was not helping by V covering the N-R route in and roaming gangs round the central area while LV were roaming round Cache and Insmother to give KOS time to get their pilots in place and the bubble camp setup (good job to those pilots there) as well as escorting KOS haulers (who magically were promised and did not meet the fleet) who were coming to N7- to get your towers fueled and armed (with POSes and equipment and fuel supplied by LV and V).
The fleet was organised, defenses for the weekend were established and your fleet commanded by LV pilots (who were actively recalled from all over Eve). If you want confirmation of this speak to Corvino, Rhang etc...
As well as after the seige KOS pilots were escorted and the station covered by LV led gangs in order to get your pilots safely out with some assets when your 'leadership' failed to come up with the goods to secure the system (hint: Large POSes do need some guns on them to be effective).
Is this not classed as help? If so I appologise for not sending any help during the N7- seige. Next time we will try to help out a little more, please evemail me with ways we could have helped out a little more during the N7- seige.
We will help when asked both directly and indirectly but we will do your tasks for you.
The fighter of KOS did there job well pity you were let down in N7- again by slack 'leaders'.
MT
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